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kaojinjiang 2007-09-19 20:50

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善与恶

苏东坡信仰佛教，对佛学颇有造诣。一次与方丈辩经，两人坐于团垫之上，相论许久。

方丈说：“我在对方的眼里是什么？”

苏东坡说：“方丈你在我眼里是一堆牛屎。”方丈微微一笑，说：“施主在我眼里是一朵鲜花。”苏东坡满意而归，与小妹言及此事。苏小妹说：“佛家有言，心在地狱缘恶念。你心中有牛屎，才会把别人看成牛屎。”苏东坡听罢，满脸愧色。

任何善恶的念头，在未变成行动和事实之前，其实在心中早已存在了。心中充满恶念的人，看别人的眼光就会变异，而心中充满友谊、宽容的人，便会给别人和自己带来欢乐。

爱在爱谁 2007-09-21 11:48

Sudongpo believed in Buddhism and he was possessed of great attainments in it. Once Buddhist apologetics was run between an abbot and him, both of whom were at zazen on pads. After a long time,the abbot asked:"What can I be in your eyes?" "You're a heap of bullshit in my eyes, man." answered Sudongpo. "You're yummy flower in my eyes." responded the abbot, with a scintilla of smile. Satisfactorily, Sudongpo went back and told his younger sister the thing.

"As Buddist maxim goes: mind in hell, evil ideas swell. Owing to the bullshit in your mind, you just look on others as bullshit."said his younger sister, whose words made Sudongpo utterly ashamed when heard by him.

Any ideas, whether benevolent or malevolent, have been actually primordial in mind before they are put into action. Those obsessed with evil ideas will get their judgement perverted while viewing others. Contrarily, those endued with benevolence and magnanimity will bring happiness to others and themselves。
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seclusive 2007-09-21 12:57
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引用第1楼爱在爱谁于2007-09-21 11:48发表的“”:
苏东坡信仰佛教，对佛学颇有造诣。一次与方丈辩经，两人坐于团垫之上，相论许久。

Sudongpo believed in Buddism and he was possessed of great attainments in it. Once Buddist apologetics was run between an abbot and him, both of whom were at zazen on pads. After a long time,
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Buddism ---> Buddhism   Buddist ----> Buddhist

>> possess of: 拥有

在译文中 用被动态不合原意 可直接用 he possessed of

>> attainments 宜用 high 来修饰 如

a man of high attainments: 有很高造诣的人

>> 辩经: debate on Buddhist doctrines

>> 原文的“方丈”可译为：a buddhist abbot

>> http://www.hikz.com/surf.php?url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zafu

蒲团：sewn seat, (kapok-filled) zafu, meditation seat, (rush) cushion

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A zafu (座蒲 in Japanese or 蒲团 in Chinese) is a round cushion, about 35 cm (14 inches) in diameter, and often about 20 cm (8 inches) high, when fluffed. Although in U.S. English, zafu is often translated as "sewn seat", that is not the meaning of the Japanese kanji. "Za" (座) means "seat", and "fu" (蒲) means cattail. As a word, "zafu" means a seat made out of cattails. The origins of the Japanese zafu (座蒲) came from China where these meditation seats were originally made out of cattail. Today, that is no longer the case in Japan or China.

Contemporary Zafus are sewn from three pieces of heavy cloth, usually colored black: two round swatches of equal size for the top and the bottom of the cushion, and a long rectangle that is sewn into gathers in between. They are typically filled with either kapok or buckwheat hulls. Zen Buddhist practitioners traditionally sit on a zafu when engaged in sitting meditation. The cushion raises the hips, making the entire range of cross-legged sitting positions more stable for the meditator.

The zafu is both a utilitarian accessory and a symbol of zazen practice. Before and after sitting on the zafu, Zen practitioners perform a gassho bow to the cushion, to fellow practitioners, and to the teacher. In many practice places, there is a prescribed form for respectfully handling zafu while walking in the meditation hall, or zendo.

A zabuton (座布団) is a rectangular cushion, about 76 cm (30 inches) by 71 cm (28 inches), that is often used under a zafu cushion to provide comfort and support when engaged in sitting meditation. The outer cover is typically made of a heavy duty fabric and has a zipper along one side so that it can be easily removed and washed. Inside the cover, the batting is enclosed in a natural cotton casing.

爱在爱谁 2007-09-21 14:45
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引用第2楼seclusive于2007-09-21 12:57发表的“”:

Buddism ---> Buddhism   Buddist ----> Buddhist

>> possess of: 拥有

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I've revised this sentence:Those obsessed with evil ideas will get perverted when viewing others into
Those obsessed with evil ideas will get their judgement perverted while viewing others.

Thank you very much. Please refer to the following linkage
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/possess

seclusive 2007-09-21 15:20

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引用第3楼爱在爱谁于2007-09-21 14:45发表的“”:
Thank you very much. Please refer to the following linkage
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/possess

谢谢 Mr. 爱在爱谁 提供信息

possess

9. to impart to; inform; familiarize (often fol. by of or with): to possess someone of the facts of the case.

11. to make (someone) owner, holder, or master, as of property, information, etc.: He possessed them of the facts.

<< 苏东坡信仰佛教，对佛学颇有造诣。

Sudongpo believed in Buddhism and he was possessed of great attainments in it. >>

从上面的意思来看 possess of 这个短语一般用为: possess sb. of sth.

变为被动态 则为: sb. be possessed of sth.

您译文中的用法是正确的 是我弄错了这个短语的用法 多谢 先生 指教

xiand 2007-09-21 16:09
My version in simpler English:

  As a follower of Buddhism, Su Dong-po was fairly learned in the doctrine. Once in a debate, he and the abbot of the temple, sitting on their cushions, had a lengthy exchange of arguments.
  The abbot asked, “What am I in your eyes?”
  “In my eyes you are a heap of bullshit, your honor”, Su said.
  “Well, in my eyes you are a blooming flower,” replied the abbot, with a smile.
  Su went home with satisfaction, and told this to his younger sister.
  She commented, “Buddhists believe that one's mind falls in hell because of none other but evil thoughts. You see others as bullshit simply because in your mind there is bullshit.” Su then felt ashamed of himself.
  Any thought, good or evil, is already in the mind before it is put into practice or becomes a fact. Those who are filled with evil thoughts would look at others with distorted eyes, while those who are filled with friendship and tolerance would bring about happiness to others, and to themselves as well.

seclusive 2007-09-21 20:32
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引用第1楼爱在爱谁于2007-09-21 11:48发表的“”:
（相论许久。）方丈说：“我在对方的眼里是什么？”苏东坡说：“方丈你在我眼里是一堆牛屎。”方丈微微一笑，说：“施主在我眼里是一朵鲜花。”
After a long time,the abbot asked:"What can I be in your eyes?" "You're a heap of bullshit in my eyes, man." answered Sudongpo. "You're yummy flower in my eyes." responded the abbot, with a scintilla of smile.
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>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bullshit

bullshit: "eloquent and insincere rhetoric," 1915, Amer.Eng. slang. Bull in the sense of "trivial or false statements" (1914) is usually associated with this, but it existed since M.E. in the sense of "false talk, fraud," apparently from O.Fr. boul, and perhaps connected to modern Icel. bull "nonsense." There also was a verb bull meaning "to mock, cheat," which dates from 1532.

查了很多英-英词典 bullshit 作名词的意思都是指语言的华而不实

a heap of bullshit 这个短语可否能传达“牛粪”的原义呢

试译为：a pile of (fresh) cow dung

参见：http://www.hikz.com/surf.php?url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_dung

Cow dung is a term used for the feces of the bovine species. The species includes the cow, buffalo, ox and bullock. Cow dung is basically the digested residue of herbivorous matter which is acted upon by symbiotic bacteria residing within the animal's rumen. The resultant faecal matter is rich in minerals. Colour ranges from greenish to blackish. In due course, the resulting matter turns yellow due to chemical changes caused by sunlight.

>> 译文用 man 来表示 东坡居士 对 其友佛印法师的称谓 方丈 显得太随意 我觉得后面 Mr. xiand 的处理要好些 因为在家人与出家人交往 在表面上多是很尊敬的 这和佛制戒律有关 虽说这里 东坡先生语含讥讽 但必要的礼节仍然存在

>> yummy flower 前应加冠词 a

seclusive 2007-09-22 17:38
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引用第1楼爱在爱谁于2007-09-21 11:48发表的“”:
苏东坡满意而归，与小妹言及此事。苏小妹说：“佛家有言，心在地狱缘恶念。你心中有牛屎，才会把别人看成牛屎。”苏东坡听罢，满脸愧色。
Satisfactorily, Sudongpo went back and told his younger sister the thing. "As Buddist maxim goes: mind in hell, evil ideas swell. Owing to the bullshit in your mind, you just look on others as bullshit."said his younger sister, whose words made Sudongpo utterly ashamed when heard by him.
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Buddist ----> Buddhist

>> 参见: http://www.zftrans.com/favorite/vocabulary/2007-8/16/2212078162212018348858.html

a Buddhist maxim: 一句佛偈

译文中的 Buddhist maxim 前应有冠词 a

“佛家有言”也可表示为：according to Buddhist teachings/ doctrines

>> 心在地狱缘恶念 这句话的意思是说 心里面如地狱般受煎熬的原因是由于充满了恶的念头 缘 即是 因为 由于 之意

这里的 心 不宜译成 mind 因为 mind 是指 意识 理智 精神 佛经里所指的 心 非常多变和复杂

如 神秀 师 云 身是菩提树 心如明镜台 时时勤拂拭 勿使惹尘埃 我们的心 就如一面镜子 境来则现 过去不留 之所以我们不明正道 是因为这面心镜被许多灰尘遮掩 从而看不清楚真相 这些尘就是 前面所云的 恶念 这是与 mind 相关的

恶念：evil thought

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心在地狱缘恶念

试译：Your evil thoughts give rise to your hell.

你心中有牛屎，才会把别人看成牛屎。

试译：You look on others as cow dung simply because it just reflects on you.


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